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		<title>By: Cocktails</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocktails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all this info Hoss. It&#039;s been a bit of an eye-opener and I definitely appreciate your passion for the language. It sounds as though Esperanto would  be very interesting to students of lingustics, not just people wanting to communicate as such. You never know, when I finally conquer all of French verb conjugations I might well have another look at Esperanto!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all this info Hoss. It&#8217;s been a bit of an eye-opener and I definitely appreciate your passion for the language. It sounds as though Esperanto would  be very interesting to students of lingustics, not just people wanting to communicate as such. You never know, when I finally conquer all of French verb conjugations I might well have another look at Esperanto!</p>
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		<title>By: Hoss</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think your description about combining the best bits is about right. Essentially, the elements of Esperanto are descended from earlier languages, in much the same way modern English is descended from the collision of old Norman French with the Germanic dialects once spoken by the Angles and Saxons. It isn&#039;t so much that any particular bit is &quot;better&quot; than another, but in Esperanto this synthesis had some conscious planning involved, at least initially. Instead of features being chosen haphazardly by military conquest, economic influence etc., they were chosen for ease of use, flexibility, and the ability to faithfully express texts from diverse national literatures in translation.

As to ease of learning: I hesitate to say that *any* language is easy; by necessity, human languages are difficult and full of subtleties. Esperanto is undoubtedly much easier than most, however. There is still a lot to learn, but you can spend your time learning meaningful things rather than memorizing verb conjugations, irregular pronunciations, or the &quot;gender&quot; of inanimate objects. :-)  For example, once you learn how to conjugate one verb (which takes all of about five minutes) you&#039;ll know how to conjugate every verb you&#039;ll ever encounter.

The agglutinative system of word formation also helps to maximize what you&#039;ve already learned. A simple example: once you know the root for &quot;dog&quot; (&quot;hund-&quot;) and the suffix for &quot;offspring&quot;(&quot;-id&quot;), you automatically know how to say &quot;puppy&quot; (&quot;hundido&quot;) without having to learn a new word. The same works for any animal. No need to memorize a different baby name for each species, e.g. cow/calf, hen/chick, goat/kid, kangaroo/joey, etc.

In terms of hard numbers, various studies since the 1930s have shown that students can aquire a basic proficiency considerably faster in Esperanto than in other languages: typically in a quarter of the time. Learning Esperanto also seems to help with subsequent language acquisition. Primary schools in the UK are taking advantage of this by teaching Esperanto as part of the &quot;Springboard to Languages&quot; program: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Language_acquisition

Finally, to answer your question: yes, I started out with a British textbook &quot;Teach Yourself Esperanto&quot;, believe it or not, and then went on to a tutored course on the Net: http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/

Being able to actually speak with people from other countries and have a conversation was really rewarding, so I went on to study the language formally at university. In the States (where I&#039;m from) where the options are sparse, the best university program is at the University of California, called NASK: http://esperanto.org/nask</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think your description about combining the best bits is about right. Essentially, the elements of Esperanto are descended from earlier languages, in much the same way modern English is descended from the collision of old Norman French with the Germanic dialects once spoken by the Angles and Saxons. It isn&#8217;t so much that any particular bit is &#8220;better&#8221; than another, but in Esperanto this synthesis had some conscious planning involved, at least initially. Instead of features being chosen haphazardly by military conquest, economic influence etc., they were chosen for ease of use, flexibility, and the ability to faithfully express texts from diverse national literatures in translation.</p>
<p>As to ease of learning: I hesitate to say that *any* language is easy; by necessity, human languages are difficult and full of subtleties. Esperanto is undoubtedly much easier than most, however. There is still a lot to learn, but you can spend your time learning meaningful things rather than memorizing verb conjugations, irregular pronunciations, or the &#8220;gender&#8221; of inanimate objects. :-)  For example, once you learn how to conjugate one verb (which takes all of about five minutes) you&#8217;ll know how to conjugate every verb you&#8217;ll ever encounter.</p>
<p>The agglutinative system of word formation also helps to maximize what you&#8217;ve already learned. A simple example: once you know the root for &#8220;dog&#8221; (&#8220;hund-&#8221;) and the suffix for &#8220;offspring&#8221;(&#8220;-id&#8221;), you automatically know how to say &#8220;puppy&#8221; (&#8220;hundido&#8221;) without having to learn a new word. The same works for any animal. No need to memorize a different baby name for each species, e.g. cow/calf, hen/chick, goat/kid, kangaroo/joey, etc.</p>
<p>In terms of hard numbers, various studies since the 1930s have shown that students can aquire a basic proficiency considerably faster in Esperanto than in other languages: typically in a quarter of the time. Learning Esperanto also seems to help with subsequent language acquisition. Primary schools in the UK are taking advantage of this by teaching Esperanto as part of the &#8220;Springboard to Languages&#8221; program: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Language_acquisition" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Language_acquisition</a></p>
<p>Finally, to answer your question: yes, I started out with a British textbook &#8220;Teach Yourself Esperanto&#8221;, believe it or not, and then went on to a tutored course on the Net: <a href="http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/" rel="nofollow">http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/</a></p>
<p>Being able to actually speak with people from other countries and have a conversation was really rewarding, so I went on to study the language formally at university. In the States (where I&#8217;m from) where the options are sparse, the best university program is at the University of California, called NASK: <a href="http://esperanto.org/nask" rel="nofollow">http://esperanto.org/nask</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cocktails</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocktails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bill and Hoss, thanks very much for stopping by and commenting.

It is great to hear from Esperanto speakers as it seems like such a hidden world unless you look into it. Your experiences suggest that Esperanto can take you a long way indeed and there is a close-knit, yet world-wide community out there. 

And Hoss, the language site you gave the link for is particularly interesting. I understand more about how it works - Esperanto is attempting to combine the best bits of other language systems you could say? 

But is it really that easy to learn? Did you teach yourselves? It does seem relatively straight forward compared to French and English which does appeal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bill and Hoss, thanks very much for stopping by and commenting.</p>
<p>It is great to hear from Esperanto speakers as it seems like such a hidden world unless you look into it. Your experiences suggest that Esperanto can take you a long way indeed and there is a close-knit, yet world-wide community out there. </p>
<p>And Hoss, the language site you gave the link for is particularly interesting. I understand more about how it works &#8211; Esperanto is attempting to combine the best bits of other language systems you could say? </p>
<p>But is it really that easy to learn? Did you teach yourselves? It does seem relatively straight forward compared to French and English which does appeal!</p>
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		<title>By: Hoss</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word stock of Esperanto has mostly latinate roots, because latinate languages are the most widely understood. The grammar and morphology, however, have much in common with non-European languages. Here&#039;s how a UN translator explained it: http://bit.ly/GaYKZ

One of the nice things about speaking Esperanto is that it enables you to find free lodging with friendly locals all over the world. I have an American friend who used the Pasporta Servo (&quot;Passport Service&quot;) to travel across Europe a few years ago. She toured for about sixteen months, and she still speaks fondly of all the nice people she met... http://www.tejo.org/eo/ps_lingv_en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word stock of Esperanto has mostly latinate roots, because latinate languages are the most widely understood. The grammar and morphology, however, have much in common with non-European languages. Here&#8217;s how a UN translator explained it: <a href="http://bit.ly/GaYKZ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/GaYKZ</a></p>
<p>One of the nice things about speaking Esperanto is that it enables you to find free lodging with friendly locals all over the world. I have an American friend who used the Pasporta Servo (&#8220;Passport Service&#8221;) to travel across Europe a few years ago. She toured for about sixteen months, and she still speaks fondly of all the nice people she met&#8230; <a href="http://www.tejo.org/eo/ps_lingv_en" rel="nofollow">http://www.tejo.org/eo/ps_lingv_en</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Chapman</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2317</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Welsh-speaking Englishman who has visited Skipton Castle using the guide in Esperanto. Now I could have followed the English one, of course, but I was happy to use the Esperanto version. 

I&#039;ve used Esperanto in some fifteen countries (Bulgaria, Slovenia, Italy, Finland ...), and returned earlier this month from Cameroon, where the language gave me access to the homes and lives of ordinary people there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Welsh-speaking Englishman who has visited Skipton Castle using the guide in Esperanto. Now I could have followed the English one, of course, but I was happy to use the Esperanto version. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used Esperanto in some fifteen countries (Bulgaria, Slovenia, Italy, Finland &#8230;), and returned earlier this month from Cameroon, where the language gave me access to the homes and lives of ordinary people there.</p>
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		<title>By: Cocktails</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cocktails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You knew someone who spoke Esperanto? Who with? Was there a secret society of Esperanto speakers? And what makes someone want to learn this language in the first place? 

And I am increasingly not buying this &#039;pan-cultural unity&#039; concept. Everyone knows that the true universal language is the language of love... 

Blurgh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! You knew someone who spoke Esperanto? Who with? Was there a secret society of Esperanto speakers? And what makes someone want to learn this language in the first place? </p>
<p>And I am increasingly not buying this &#8216;pan-cultural unity&#8217; concept. Everyone knows that the true universal language is the language of love&#8230; </p>
<p>Blurgh.</p>
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		<title>By: ishouldbeworking</title>
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		<dc:creator>ishouldbeworking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a woman a few years ago who was a fluent Esperanto speaker, and something of an evangelist for the cause. She was involved in lots of well intentioned but quite paternalistic charities, and her view of Esperanto as a tool for pan-cultural unity - by imposition if needs be - was a sort of extension of her general &#039;these people just don&#039;t know what&#039;s good for them&#039; attitude. 

She certainly put me right off the whole idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a woman a few years ago who was a fluent Esperanto speaker, and something of an evangelist for the cause. She was involved in lots of well intentioned but quite paternalistic charities, and her view of Esperanto as a tool for pan-cultural unity &#8211; by imposition if needs be &#8211; was a sort of extension of her general &#8216;these people just don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s good for them&#8217; attitude. </p>
<p>She certainly put me right off the whole idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Cocktails</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2300</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocktails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Sheepish, I think that Esperanto does fall down on the old &#039;cultural advantage&#039; thing. I mean, look at these phrases. Since they look so suspiciously similar to other European languages you might well be able to guess what they mean...

Bonan matenon (Good morning)
Mi ne komprenas vin. (I don&#039;t understand)
Dankon. (Thank you)

The language still comes with European constructions and cultural baggage, and its clearly easier to learn Esperanto if you already  speak a Latin/Greek based language. If you&#039;re Chinese and learning Esperanto you may as well just learn English!

Keith, my point exactly!

F-C, Working in an Esperanto shop sounds like my ideal kind of job. As there clearly wouldn&#039;t be any customers, I really could just blog, read and daydream all day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Sheepish, I think that Esperanto does fall down on the old &#8216;cultural advantage&#8217; thing. I mean, look at these phrases. Since they look so suspiciously similar to other European languages you might well be able to guess what they mean&#8230;</p>
<p>Bonan matenon (Good morning)<br />
Mi ne komprenas vin. (I don&#8217;t understand)<br />
Dankon. (Thank you)</p>
<p>The language still comes with European constructions and cultural baggage, and its clearly easier to learn Esperanto if you already  speak a Latin/Greek based language. If you&#8217;re Chinese and learning Esperanto you may as well just learn English!</p>
<p>Keith, my point exactly!</p>
<p>F-C, Working in an Esperanto shop sounds like my ideal kind of job. As there clearly wouldn&#8217;t be any customers, I really could just blog, read and daydream all day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Five-Centres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Five-Centres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an Esperanto shop in Holland Park Avenue for years, probably up until about 15 or 20 years ago. I never went in, but I was sorely tempted. 

It&#039;s sad really, as it&#039;s a language that&#039;s utterly failed to catch on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an Esperanto shop in Holland Park Avenue for years, probably up until about 15 or 20 years ago. I never went in, but I was sorely tempted. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad really, as it&#8217;s a language that&#8217;s utterly failed to catch on.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://cocktailsandrecords.net/blog/2009/03/11/cu-vi-parolas-esperanton/comment-page-1/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel bad to say that I had never even heard of this language until your blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad to say that I had never even heard of this language until your blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: sheepish</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheepish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is esparanto really a language developed on the basis of communication nee cultural advantage?  i mean - its still uses the conventional western alphabet.  ugg ur gonk  (pretend this isn&#039;t communicating by txt- oh and that implies you need to write and read to learn a language) could a language be developed entirely based on grunting or do grunts in different languages carry alternative meanings?  oof or is this just me being stupid because you know i&#039;ve always just wanted to bark at people anyways...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is esparanto really a language developed on the basis of communication nee cultural advantage?  i mean &#8211; its still uses the conventional western alphabet.  ugg ur gonk  (pretend this isn&#8217;t communicating by txt- oh and that implies you need to write and read to learn a language) could a language be developed entirely based on grunting or do grunts in different languages carry alternative meanings?  oof or is this just me being stupid because you know i&#8217;ve always just wanted to bark at people anyways&#8230;</p>
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